The Saga of Tanya the Evil (light novel)
| Christianity is a very small percentage of the population in Japan. As such, I would guess most anime aren't worried about offending that group. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| Religion throughout history has been forced upon people so I don't get the complaint |
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| Just imagine if any anime makes parody of Islam. The reaction would be totally different |
| When I saw the title of this thread I was expecting a very different direction, ngl. |
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MetalTsundere said: but this show really went far. Particlarly in Episode 2 and 3, where Christianity is being forced on Tanya, and they really went far. 1) It was never said if it was a christian god. Just a god. In fact, Tanya doesn't even acknoledge him as a god; and the god said he was governing over reincarnation, which I'm pretty sure is NOT a christian belief. 2) Even if it was christian, there's plenty of examples in the bible of God doing very mean and indisriminate things to those who don't have faith/are "sinning" from his point of view, so what he did to Tanya is actually pretty standard for him I guess? And many gods out there like Muslim gods would do even worse, probably? So, well. It's fiction. The anime took great care of not pinpointing a god in particular nor representing him by instead speaking through other peoples' mouth and even a nutcracker's mouth in order to not be mean to a particular faith. If yo'ure still displeased by it despite all the precautions taken, I'm a bit sad tbh. |
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thepath said: Just imagine if any anime makes parody of Islam. The reaction would be totally different Because we love our religious more than Christians do !!! |
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MetalTsundere said: BlakexEkalb said: You can't get offended by everything. Switch Christianity with any other controversial topic that goes against what you believe. Abortion, murder, religion, etc. You have to learn that not everyone interprets something the same way and sometimes they take topics and turn them to make it look worse than what they are. it's not that I get offended, i just think they really went too far for this, but at the same time, it's true that there are people who really force their beliefs on others, and i think Christianity leaves a bad taste in viewer's mind IMO just don't give a fuck. Im Muslim and I liked i. it's just an anime lmao |
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. | You know what I hate the most? People who aren't free. They're no more than cattle. |
| I don't recall them ever identifying Being X as the Christian god, or any other real-world religious figure or iconography. You may be projecting? |
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| japan is definitely not the issue here I'm italian and this is definitely not offensive lol went too far? what a joke. plus she doesn't even see him as GOD. he may be A god but not God. |
| and no christianity is the same thing in Japan. dont assume things |
| Just finish this series. I am a Catholic. And I am not offended. I guess it depends on the person after all. I just do not take an entertainment show that seriously. Well that said, Being X, He could claim to be anything but he could be just a fake that truly evil in the end, manipulate people for his own sake for what I care.. He just the main antagonist in this series for me. Definition of something went too far from people to people is different each other I guess.. If you believe thing that easily you can be tricked/manipulated easily, so I suggest do not take everything too seriously especially entertainment show like anime IMO |
| Even though Being X works with reincarnation, which is against the doctrine of Christianity, he did mention The Ten Commandments, and Tanya mentioned the Bible in her thoughts during their first dialogue when he died, so the relation between Being X and the real God(the catholic one) is quite obvious, even if the terms "Catholicism" or "Christianity" are not mentioned in the series, so it's natural that a christian would feel offended watching or reading it. During the first battle that is narrated in the first volume Tanya says Friedrich Nietzsche's phrase: "God is dead", and even the narration clearly states that Tanya is correct in her point on how there's no God, meaning that the author doesn't intend to leave the idea that there's no God as just a personal opinion of Tanya; he's objectively stating it as a fact, so atheism is probably going to be a major aspect of the story, and it's probably eventually going to be revealed that Being X is just some kind of übermensch, and not really God. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| its true people look to god when they are their weakest, and countries at the advanced level don't worship gods near as much. this has been shown through history |
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ThatUndeadLegacy said: its true people look to god when they are their weakest, and countries at the advanced level don't worship gods near as much. this has been shown through history Yeah, people at their weakest, like the ones from USA, look to God, and that is why the country is so poor. And the fortunate people from countries at the advanced level, like China and North Korea, don't worship God, since they are forced to worship the government instead. |
ColtBuntlineAug 24, 2020 9:35 PM
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| I just realized that based on OP's beliefs, God watched him watch High School DxD. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
cuteotakuSAMA said: Zefyris said: 1) It was never said if it was a christian god. Just a god. In fact, Tanya doesn't even acknoledge him as a god; and the god said he was governing over reincarnation, which I'm pretty sure is NOT a christian belief. 2) Even if it was christian, there's plenty of examples in the bible of God doing very mean and indisriminate things to those who don't have faith/are "sinning" from his point of view, so what he did to Tanya is actually pretty standard for him I guess? And many gods out there like Muslim gods would do even worse, probably? So, well. It's fiction. The anime took great care of not pinpointing a god in particular nor representing him by instead speaking through other peoples' mouth and even a nutcracker's mouth in order to not be mean to a particular faith. If yo'ure still displeased by it despite all the precautions taken, I'm a bit sad tbh. Wasn't indiscrimination. God did this because those people were from the seperpent's lineage. so he did this because of racism then? Discriminating according to someone's ancestors isn't especially something to be proud of. But whatever, that 's not the topic anyway. |
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| Well, I mean in Tanya's world, God is not like what everyone expected. If you thought god in Tanya's world is a wise existence or something, then you're wrong. Basically God in Tanya's world is just like a human, anything that cause bad thing aren't gonna get forgived. It's like what Zero Two said "Weakling die" I hope God in this world didn't act like that. Yeah but I think 2020 and 2021 has become very bad that I think God itself can't do anything about it. I believe if God aren't gonna interupting anything in this world because that's would ruin the Fate chain. If you wanna understand what am I saying then try watch Jujutsu Kaisen at eps 4. At that eps Fushiguro was said "What are you gonna do when the guy you just saved were killing people in the future?" It's all about philosofi, If God do something to save someone, it's gonna cause a butterfly effect, a simple action that can change the history. Example: Someone just rob into someone's house, rob everything and killed two people, and left a their kid alive. Basically God just save him, but human is still a human. They were seeking for revenge. The kid then join military, and became the best soldier to ever exist. Then after a tons of missions, the kid, well he isn't a kid anyomore. The men, somehow got the robber that killed his parent as the mission's target. As a human, he would goes mad and kill the robber brutally. And as he goes into madness, one of his friend trying to stop him. But you know, the men who has goes crazy, would eliminate anyone who tries to stop him, left him with his friends corpse everywhere. And after that, he obiously gonna get punishment. But, as someone who has done alots of thing to their Country and got punishment, he wouldn't let them do that. He would betray everyone there and switched side from hero to villain. Then he would kill any bad guy or good guy who tries to stop him until he dies. Fin. Unrealistic story huh, I think it's not actually unrealistic. There's a chance that this actually happen but not write down in history, it's probably like Hitler but Hitler's past isn't that bad (correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't know about Hitler's story that much). In anime, there's Eren, Light, etc. Anyway that's it. |
i think religion is bullshit, as the masque of the red death says " if a god of love ever did exist , long since he is dead, someone or something (bad) rules this place. so literally "I'd rather be a Pagan suckled in a creed outworn." the bible, coran or wherever the name of your god or book is made to manipulate, and if someone has that power to seem a diety but prefers to do nothing against war etc is a bad being, so i think that is what this series want to show that x being is bad and done is the " something bad" that allan poe described :) |
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@thepath Islam? Make a parody of talmudism and see what happens 💀
| @____2323323 Noting happens if you make parody of Talmud. Unlike islam you won't get killed or get death threats Also, why you are replying to a comment I made 6 years ago !! |
thepathFeb 3, 3:02 AM
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@thepath Why not? Ppl in here are replying as well
And no. You'll be shut down if you make fun of the Zion. Most countries have antisemitism laws and they'll use it against you. This is not true for islam, it's not protected the same way as jews are.
And no. You'll be shut down if you make fun of the Zion. Most countries have antisemitism laws and they'll use it against you. This is not true for islam, it's not protected the same way as jews are.
| @____2323323 I have seen video of Israel flags being burned in USA and some western countries... noting happens. I have seen people attacking talmud on X (twitter), noting happens to them. No death threat or whatever. On other hand, there are people who get killed over drawing mohammad or damaging quran book.... and muslim all over social media are happy about. Recently, a guy called Salwan Momika was killed in Sweden.. and muslim all over X and youtube comments sections are happy about it Did you forget the riots thats happened over danish cartoon ?? or Charlie Hebdo shooting ?? or death fatwa for Salman Rushdie ? or beheading of Samuel Paty ? or killing of Theo van Gogh ?? ... You won't see anything to that level when someone mocks Jewish books or Israeli flags, you will not see riots or person getting assassinated over that. |
thepathFeb 4, 2:57 AM
____2323323 said: And no. You'll be shut down if you make fun of the Zion. Most countries have antisemitism laws and they'll use it against you. This is not true for islam, it's not protected the same way as jews are. It's kind of inaccurate or disingenuous to compare the two, because unlike Islam and Muslims, Jews are also an ethnic group. It's an ethnoreligion. So a lot of anti-Semitism laws in Western countries (though I'm not saying that I agree with them) are targeted toward vitriol or disparaging Jews as an ethnic group in forms such as Holocaust denial/revisionism. Not Judaism as a religion. |
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Just imagine if any anime makes parody of Islam. The reaction would be totally different
| @thepath The difference is that when Islam is mentioned, Shueisha gets threatened with violence which is why the Jojo part 3 incident happened. Also another case with Zelda. A lot of these snobby comments about "get over it" would never be applied if other religions were examined, parodied, or critiqued to the level that xtianity is within anime & manga. |
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@thepath Islam? Make a parody of talmudism and see what happens 💀
| @____2323323 The Talmud and Kabbalah are literally referenced and critiqued in many 90s anime. 2 examples that come to mind are Evangelion & Gundam. |
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